The New Holy Mountain Fathers

[Barbara]

To complete the answer to the question above, I don't believe there was a single follow up, let alone correction.

But we need to check with GOC-K people to find out for sure.

Now-famous Mother Agapia is said by Fr Joseph in the thread about her talk about Christians in Palestine to be ON LOAN to GOC-K.
If anyone knows her or anyone around her, perhaps she would be a source if she was paying attention during that era.

Otherwise, other GOC-K people could be consulted to verify that there WERE NO later statements issued by their synod.

[Barbara]

In case you are interested, I happened upon this lengthy expose by our member here, Cyprian, sharp as a tack as always

In it he talks about GOC-K Met Moses of Toronto and his vigorously pro-vaccine stance

While discussing that, Cyprian exposes SO MUCH about the current president, his wife, in the 1st term that no Orthodox person could EVER support either of the two in any form !

This was a post on facebook in 2021

Metropolitan Moses of Toronto, a bishop in the synod of the "Church of the Genuine Orthodox Christians of America" ("GOC"), recently publicly recommended a worthless book by Dr. Peter Breggin entitled, 'Covid-19 and the Global Predators: We Are the Prey'.
I wish to make it clear that no one should waste their precious time or money on this deceptive piece of propaganda, and I am sorry to have to say it, but neither should anyone pay any heed to this Met. Moses, who, along with the synod he belongs to, does not confess Orthodoxy. They are the blind leading the blind into the ditch. All sincere people of goodwill would do well to flee these heretics, until such time as they repent of their numerous errors and blasphemies.
The Synod of Bishops of the Russian True Orthodox Church judged correctly in 2014, when they officially declared that Met. Moses' synod had fallen from Orthodoxy.
http://www.ripc.info/en/publications/
http://www.ripc.info/.../determination- ... nod-of.../
The fruit of their errors and heresies, which they have not repented of, has manifestly compromised their judgment and impaired their discernment.
Here is the author of the book being interviewed:
DR. REINER FUELLMICH INTERVIEWING DR. PETER BREGGIN - CORONA COMMITTEE

A little after 22:15 minutes in, Breggin starts promoting Trump, saying: "I think Trump is a real threat to the game," and "They've never pinned a thing on him."
At 29:35 into the interview, Breggin admits he is Jewish.
A little after 1:34:22, Breggin mounts a vigorous defense of Trump.
This 700+ page book which Met. Moses has recommended is simply one giant piece of agitprop which serves as a massive campaign booklet for Donald Trump 2024. Trump is mentioned by name well over 400 times, and always in a positive light, as an America First patriot, a sort of "Greatest American Hero" who is trying to save our Republic from the "global predators" and the "Deep State".
There are several major lies in this book. The authors, as well as the three individuals whom the book is dedicated to, who also wrote brief introductions (one is a Hasidic Jew who is a supporter of the Antichrist Chabad Lubavitch movement, and claims to be Trump's doctor), all perpetuate the "Big Lie" that there is an actual global pandemic of COVID-19, which is responsible for the deaths of millions of people worldwide, and hundreds of thousands in America.
Dr. Peter A. McCullough, also featured on the cover of the book, isn't even against the "vaccines". He has stated publicly on several occasions that he is "very pro vaccine," he recommends the so-called "vaccines" in his practice, and his patients "have gotten the Covid vaccine". He believes in "targeted vaccines" for those in "high risk" groups, in particular people over the age of 50. He only appears to be opposed to younger healthy people taking the "vaccines".
The truth is, 4+ million people have not died from COVID-19, a fabricated disease, not unlike what happened with the previous hoax invented syndrome, AIDS. A large portion of these purported Covid victims simply died from some other malady or a combination of maladies, such as influenza, pneumonia, heart attack, stroke, etc., which were falsely attributed and reported as dying from "Covid".
Many patients who were admitted to hospitals and identified as "Covid positive" were simply maltreated and murdered with a cocktail of poisonous drugs, including Remdesivir.
This deceptive book condemns Fauci and Gates and those of their ilk for their, as Chapter 11 calls it, "COVID-19 “Vaccines”— A Giant and Fatal Experimentation on Humanity."
A glaring inconsistency should immediately become obvious to any thoughtful reader of this deliberately deceptive book. The authors' purported hero in the book, Donald Trump, claims he himself received the so-called "vaccine" this past January, and in March publicly recommended Americans get the poisonous injections, which he called "a great and safe vaccine". Trump calls himself "the father of the vaccine," and says the "vaccine" which he created in nine months is going to save our country, and the world.
see for yourself, if you please:
Trump urges Americans to get COVID vaccine in Fox News exclusive

Of course Trump is a liar like his father the devil, and did not receive the poisonous "vaccine" which he and Fauci are both conspiring together to push on the public, just like Fauci did not receive any poison "vaccine" in his arm when he grandstanded for the cameras, only pretending to get vaccinated. Trump also lied when he pretended that he had contracted Coronavirus at the beginning of October 2020, a month before the elections. It was all part of the scripted charade.
The NY Times reports that:
Trump’s Covid Treatments Were Tested in Cells Derived From Fetal Tissue
https://www.nytimes.com/.../trump-covid ... issue.html
This is what Met. Moses' synod promulgated regarding these cell lines:
Communiqué Concerning the Use of Embryonic Cell Lines
From the Chancery of the Holy Synod of the Church of the Genuine Orthodox Christians of Greece
Athens, May 4, 2021 / April 21, 2021
"The Holy Synod also expresses its categorical opposition to the use of human embryonic cell lines deriving from abortion for any purpose or reason whatsoever, experimental or otherwise, for the supposed accomplishment of “socially beneficial” or “therapeutic” purposes. This is unacceptable, inadmissible, and immoral, according to the Faith of the Orthodox Church."

So why is Met. Moses, who appears to be suffering from cognitive dissonance, promoting a book which is a blatant piece of propaganda in support of Donald Trump, who publicly promotes the very so-called "therapeutics" and "vaccines" his synod has judged to be immoral?
This lack of clarity and double-mindedness was unfortunately expressed by the synod of Met. Moses this past February:
Church of the Genuine Orthodox Christians of Greece
Holy Synod
Communiqué Concerning Resolutions of the Holy Synod
February 5/18, 2021
"Spiritual Fathers must not provide concrete encouragements or discouragements regarding vaccination to the faithful who ask them about it, beyond general information, since they will then bear responsibility either if the faithful lose their lives or put them at risk from vaccination (on account of serious side effects) or from non-vaccination (on account of disease with serious consequences resulting from the virus). This issue does not cease being chiefly and basically a medical one. "
The "Church of the Genuine Orthodox Christians of Greece," has apparently been duped into accepting the "Big Lie". Not unlike the book which Met. Moses promotes, they appear to believe that there is an actual deadly virus pandemic out there that is killing millions of people. They incorrectly judge the issue to be chiefly a medical one, when in fact it is above all else a spiritual one, related to the mass deception people will succumb to in the last times, immediately preceding the manifestation of the Antichrist.
The spiritual question is obvious and rather straightforward: Are our political leaders and the so-called medical professionals they are working hand in hand with, trustworthy, or not? Can the public trust them to provide accurate and reliable information regarding the nature, scope, and response to this supposed "global pandemic"?
The answer is a resounding, NO. They are not in the least bit trustworthy. Any Christian with even a modicum of discernment can recognize that neither Trump nor Biden, Fauci, Birx, Redfield, Walensky, Gates, etc. are trustworthy, but these are all atheists and liars: enemies of the people. The same can be said for the rapacious and greedy pharmaceutical companies who are producing the so-called "vaccines" and "therapeutic" treatments that are poisoning and sickening the population.
If the "Church of the Genuine Orthodox Christians of Greece" were in fact genuinely Orthodox, and not merely nominally so, they would be issuing the sort of proper guidance that other synods which regard themselves as Genuine Orthodox have done. They would be urging and imploring both their flock and the world at large, to avoid the accursed injections at all costs, which are falsely-styled "vaccines".
Trump and Fauci both serve the same masters. As I have demonstrated repeatedly over the years, the common denominator linking all these global agents who are secretly confederate with one another, is the godless Jews.
Fauci's mentor and best friend, Sheldon "Shelly" Wolff, was Jewish. Wolff was best man at Fauci's wedding. Fauci attended Wolff's son's bar mitzvah.
The Mentor Who Made Dr. Anthony Fauci - WSJ - The Wall Street Journal
https://www.wsj.com/.../the-mentor-who-made-dr-anthony...
The book erroneously claims that Fauci conspired with the Chinese to undermine Trump. What people who suffer from the delusions and "brain fog" induced by the Judaizing virus/disease known as JUVID-19, fail to understand, is that President Xi of China sent his close ally Vice President Wang Qishan, the number two man in China, straight to the Jewish wall in October 2018, a year before the pandemic psy-op began, to publicly demonstrate to the world that the president of China is the puppet of the Jewish-Masonic Sanhedrin no less than Fauci and Trump. They are all confederate with one another, and conspiring to lead those who are lost toward Antichrist.
Vice president of China lands in Israel, heads straight to Western Wall in Jerusalem
https://www.jns.org/vice-president-of-c ... nds-in.../
Trump sometimes pretends to revile the Clintons and Obama for the TV cameras, but when Trump was right in the middle of the "Birther" psy-op, scripted by his handlers to relentlessly attack Obama, what did Obama do? He invited Trump, the very man who was merely pretending to attack him day and night, to the White House Correspondents Dinner. Their seeming enmity with one another was all a fabricated charade.
Obama and Trump at the 2011 White House Correspondents Dinner

When it was scripted ahead of time for Trump to be embroiled in controversy for making lewd comments about women on the Access Hollywood tape, his defense was that he heard worse things from Bill Clinton on the golf course. If Trump despises Obama and the Clintons so much, as he sometimes feigns in order to mislead the naïve and uninformed public, why was he playing golf with Bill Clinton, and why did he accept Obama's invitation to the White House Correspondents Dinner at the very time he was attacking him in the press, and why did Trump invite the Clintons to his (fake) wedding to Melania and take a photograph with them? Because Trump and Obama and the Clintons are birds of a feather, flocking together. They all put on the Jewish cap and went to the Western Wall, and they are all agents of the Jewish-Masonic Sanhedrin, groomed from birth.
During the second presidential debate in October 2016, Trump threatened to appoint a special prosecutor to investigate Hillary, and a frequent chant at his campaigns was "Lock her up!". Trump frequently in public referred to her as "Lying Hillary".
Since Donald Trump and his deluded QAnon defenders claim that the Clintons are part of a global criminal cabal, a "Deep State" that is striving to undermine and enslave the world (they are correct about this), why did Trump invite the Clintons to his inaugural luncheon party, tell the audience that he was "very honored" to have them attend, and then direct them to stand up to the applause of a standing ovation?
And this was only a few of months after all the empty rhetoric about having the Clintons investigated and locked up! Did the Clintons suddenly turn from career criminals into commendable people in the span of a few months?
Trump at Inaugural Luncheon: 'Very Honored' by Hillary Clinton's Attendance | ABC News

Why do the authors of this book, and by extension Met. Moses, who stupidly recommended the book, fail to recognize such an obvious reality, that Trump plays for the same team as Fauci, Biden, Obama and the Clintons, who all serve the Jews?
Being afflicted with the Judaizing virus pandemic which is sweeping across the globe, and bereft of a genuine Orthodox Christian confession, witness, and worldview, they are lacking the grace and the fundamental discernment needed to comprehend such truths.
Donald Trump is the greatest Judaizer and promoter of sodomy in the history of the Oval Office. He is the first sitting president ever, while in office, in a highly visible and public manner, to travel to Jerusalem, put on a Jewish skull cap, and pay veneration to the Western Wall. He did it on his very first foreign trip abroad as president. He went straight to the Worthless Wall with his Jewish daughter and Jewish son-in-law. Pence and Pompeo (the first U.S. diplomat to go to the wall, not privately, but accompanied by the head of state, Netanyahu) and many other top officials in the Trump administration did likewise.
The script in the Jewish-Masonic Sanhedrin's master plan of gradual Judaization of the world (boil the frog slowly), has called for all the presidents, beginning with Jimmy Carter, to overtly and publicly demonstrate their loyalty to the Jewish-Masonic Sanhedrin by either participating in the lighting of menorahs for Hanukkah or paying homage to the Worthless Wall in Palestine.
Carter would make history lighting a Hanukkah menorah.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/.../jimm ... nukkah.../
President Jimmy Carter put on a dark overcoat on the evening of Dec. 17, 1979, walked across Pennsylvania Avenue and arrived at Lafayette Square to perform an act no president had ever publicly done. He prepared to light a menorah in commemoration of the Jewish holiday Hanukkah.
President Reagan holds a Menorah during a candlelighting ceremony at the Rockville Jewish Community Center.
https://www.gettyimages.dk/.../presiden ... /516579152
Both Bush presidents, the Clintons, and Obama all put on their Jewish caps and performed their dutiful obedience by venerating the Wall, although it was done either before or after they had left office in a somewhat lower-profile manner. All these former presidents, as well as Trump and Biden, have also participated in the lighting of menorahs in the White House. They are all Judaizers who are anathema from Christ, and are only worthy to be condemned.
Trump served as the grand marshal of the 2004 "Salute to Israel Parade".
In 2015, Trump was filmed with a yarmulke-wearing "rabbi" sticking his hand in Donald's face (as a supposed blessing), blasphemously declaring: "The only two nations that have ever been in a relationship with God are Israel and the United States of America."
see for yourself, if you please:
Donald Trump Meets with Religious Leaders

In November 2015, after Trump had already announced his candidacy for the presidency, Trump gave a filmed tour of his office, proudly displaying and explaining all the Jewish awards hanging on his wall. It was not by chance or unscripted, but carefully arranged to spotlight this "Tree of Life" award before he was installed as president, since the secret society which was planning to install Trump had also scripted for his future administration a fake shooting at the "Tree of Life" synagogue in Pittsburgh on October 27, 2018.
Donald Trump gives us a tour of his Trump Tower office

Trump boasted in 2019:
Trump: 'I would win 98% of the vote if I ran in the Israeli elections'
https://www.jpost.com/.../trump-i-would ... percent-of...
The Elder St. Barsanuphius of Optina said: "It is conspicuous that when a man loses blessing [godliness] and Christian faith, he agrees with the Jews. As a clear example for that, all our liberals can serve - all defend Jews."
Trump and all those he associates with are rabid Judaizers, as I have documented countless times on my Facebook page.
Canon XXIX of the Synod of Laodicea, held in the 4th century, declares: "But if any shall be found to be Judaizers, let them be anathema from Christ."
Anyone who has been properly informed of Trump and his Judaizing ways, (it is incumbent upon all Orthodox Christians to not remain silent about the dangers of this real disease) and yet still continues to support, defend, and praise this manifest enemy of Christ, himself becomes an enemy of Christ.
One would think that a bishop who had received his monastic formation at a monastery which was embroiled in a scandalous homosexual abuse controversy involving his abbot and elder, would be especially careful to not want to promote a sodomite like Donald Trump.
Met. Moses, along with other clergy of his synod, (of course he is not the only one), are extremely derelict in their duty. The clergy have an obligation and duty to warn and protect their flock from Judaizing influences, and instead, what do we find? We find the bishop suffering from the very Judaizing disease he ought to be laboring to cure and eradicate! He promotes this worthless book, which is nothing but propaganda designed to seduce and manipulate the naïve and simpler sorts into some sort of admiration of this despicable enemy of Christ Donald Trump, who also openly defends and promotes sodomy, openly participates in promotion of pagan Halloween festivals in the White House, and all the rest.
President Trump and The First Lady Host Halloween at the White House

First Lady Melania Trump gets outspoken
In an exclusive video, First Lady Melania Trump discusses her support for homosexual conservatives.
https://getoutspoken.com/.../first-lady-melania-trump...
"I was shocked to discover that some of these powerful people have tried to paint my husband as anti-homosexual, or against equality. Nothing could be further from the truth."
"Donald is the first president to enter the White House supporting homosexual marriage. Donald is also the first president to appoint an openly homosexual official to his cabinet."
(former) Director of National Intelligence Richard Grenell (who is openly homosexual):
“President Trump is the most pro-homosexual president in American history. I can prove it,”

Trump recognizes LGBTQ Pride Month for first time (May 31, 2019)
https://www.nbcnews.com/.../trump-recog ... gbtq-pride...
The president did not recognize Pride Month for the first two years of his presidency after promising he would support the LGBTQ community.
"As we celebrate LGBT Pride Month and recognize the outstanding contributions LGBT people have made to our great Nation, let us also stand in solidarity with the many LGBT people who live in dozens of countries worldwide that punish, imprison, or even execute individuals on the basis of their sexual orientation."
"My Administration has launched a global campaign to decriminalize homosexuality and invite all nations to join us in this effort!"
Trump says he would vote for a homosexual presidential candidate
https://www.politico.com/.../trump-lgbtq-presidential...
Trump has 'no problem whatsoever' with Buttigieg's sexuality

Trump: "It's absolutely fine." "I think it's great". "I have no problem with it whatsoever. I think it's good."
Saint Meletius the Confessor: "Submit not yourselves to monastics, nor to presbyters, who teach lawless things and evilly propound them. And why do I say only monastics or presbyters? Follow not even after bishops who guilefully exhort you to do and say and believe things that are not profitable. What pious man will keep silence, or who will remain altogether at peace? For silence means consent. Oftentimes war is known to be praiseworthy, and a battle proves to be better than a peace that harms the soul. For it is better to separate ourselves from them who do not believe aright than to follow them in evil concord, and by our union with them separate ourselves from God."
St. John Chrysostom: "If any of you, whether you are here present or not, shall go to the spectacle of the Trumpets, or rush off to the synagogue, or go up to the shrine of Matrona, or take part in fasting, or share in the Sabbath, or observe any other Jewish ritual great or small, I call heaven and earth as my witnesses that I am guiltless of the blood of all of you."
"Do you find it an oppressive burden to denounce those who commit these sins? It is an oppressive burden to remain silent. For this silence makes you an enemy to God and brings destruction both to you who conceal such sinners and to those whose sins go unrevealed. How much better it is to become hateful to our fellow servants for saving them to provoke God's anger against yourselves. Even if your fellow servant be vexed with you now, he will not be able to harm you but will be grateful later on for his cure. But if you seek to win your fellow servant's favor, if you remain silent and hurt him by concealing his sin, God will exact from you the ultimate penalty. Your silence will make God your foe and will hurt your brother; if you denounce him and reveal his sin, you will make God propitious and benefit your brother and you will gain as a friend one who was crazed but who learned from experience that you served him well.
Do not think, then, that you are doing your brothers a favor if you should see them pursuing some absurdity and should fail to accuse them with all zeal. If you lose a cloak, do you not consider as your foe not only the one who stole it but also the man who knew of the theft and refused to denounce the thief? Our common Mother (the Church) has lost not a cloak but a brother. The devil stole him and now holds him in Judaism. You know who stole him; you know him who was stolen. Do you see me lighting, as it were, the lamp of my instruction and searching everywhere in my grief? And do you stand silent, refusing to denounce him? What excuse will you have? Will the Church not reckon you among her worst enemies? Will she not consider you a foe and destroyer?"

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In case you are interested, I happened upon this lengthy expose by our member here, Cyprian, sharp as a tack as always

In it he talks about GOC-K Met Moses of Toronto and his vigorously pro-vaccine stance

While discussing that, Cyprian exposes SO MUCH about the current president, his wife, in the 1st term that no Orthodox person could EVER support either of the two in any form !

This was a post on facebook in 2021

Metropolitan Moses of Toronto, a bishop in the synod of the "Church of the Genuine Orthodox Christians of America" ("GOC"), recently publicly recommended a worthless book by Dr. Peter Breggin entitled, 'Covid-19 and the Global Predators: We Are the Prey'.
...
The Synod of Bishops of the Russian True Orthodox Church judged correctly in 2014, when they officially declared that Met. Moses' synod had fallen from Orthodoxy.
http://www.ripc.info/en/publications/
http://www.ripc.info/.../determination- ... nod-of.../

I don't know if they are correct on the HSiR union, which as I have said I have not investigated with any thoroughness, but it is useful to at least have some reference to this specific recommendation by Metropolitan Moses. Do you have any links to his statement? Was it a youtube video, a public speech, an encyclical? Do you know if his position has been updated?

P.S. It's better to update the links in that post. You copied a link to a page of recent announcements, but that page is being updated over time as new announcements are made by the RTOC and so it will make less and less sense over time. I am left guessing which declarations Cyprian referred to and someone who reads your post ten or twenty years from now will have a hard time. It is more useful to update the links, such as
https://www.ripc.info/en/library/doc/cy ... -our-days/
or more likely this is the statement in question:
https://www.ripc.info/en/library/doc/pr ... in-resist/
Using [square brackets] to indicate where quotes were edited, you would not be deceptive.

Also, can we please move this discussion to the relevant thread. While important, it is no longer relevant to the Neo-Athonite fathers.

[Barbara]

Fine. Where would you suggest to move this part of the thread ?

I'm not sure how to update links, but I agree, that's WAY better. We don't want readers to be confused or have to read old material that is not relevant.

All material that I have today is right here ; the Joanna blog is gone as far as I know. You could try to contact her, as she would know exactly where that video was. I believe it was a video in which Met Demetrios expounded his surprising position on the vaccine controversy.