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OrthodoxyOrDeath wrote:

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It seems to me the nature of your question is a fundemental one in which you doubt the Orthodox faith is the one true faith.

O Please! Not at all! I am simply questioning ONE teaching of St. Paul. You are reading way too much into this.

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With that in mind, I would have to ask: Based on what study of St. Paul are you questioning Orthodoxy? In other words, did your read some paragraph somewhere about St. Paul or are your questions based on some deep and lengthy personal study?

I have not done extensive reading on this. I have read some things that do question his fundamental strict Jewish roots. Do you have any suggestions on other books/articles that address this subject from what you would consider the correct Orthodox perspective?

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TomS wrote:

I have not done extensive reading on this. I have read some things that do question his fundamental strict Jewish roots. Do you have any suggestions on other books/articles that address this subject from what you would consider the correct Orthodox perspective?

I would suggest The Lives of the Saints Volume 2: The Lives of the Holy Apostles for starters. It gives you a good and true overview of all the apostles and their lives, writings and POVs.

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I would suggest "The Lives of the Saints Volume 2: The Lives of the Holy Apostles" for starters. It gives you a good and true overview of all the apostles and their lives, writings and POVs.

But would not a book like this be more conjecture than true history? They certainly did not have formal records back then and I doubt that you had biographers following them around. If it that is the case, then how do you know that what is written is accurate?

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Do you have any suggestions on other books/articles that address this subject from what you would consider the correct Orthodox perspective?

I'm sorry to sound so futile, but in Orthodoxy, as with the questions of woman priests, homosexual marriages, M&M's for communion, and cruising your Harley Davidson up the middle of the "church", this is not a "subject".

The Orthodox understanding of his writings is after all, the Orthodox understanding of his writings. I am not sure what the GOA allows, but the Orthodox Church requires complete acceptance and submission, not debates about if its teachings are correct. I know that sounds harsh, I just don't know any other way to put it.

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I am not sure what the GOA allows, but the Orthodox Church requires complete acceptance and submission, not debates about if its teachings are correct.

But the GOA is Orthodox. :roll: Right?

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The book takes from the Church Fathers on the Apostles. Including Church Fathers from the First Centuries that knew the apostles and their students in the Faith. So the Traditions from the beginning of the Church.

TomS wrote:

I would suggest "The Lives of the Saints Volume 2: The Lives of the Holy Apostles" for starters. It gives you a good and true overview of all the apostles and their lives, writings and POVs.

But would not a book like this be more conjecture than true history? They certainly did not have formal records back then and I doubt that you had biographers following them around. If it that is the case, then how do you know that what is written is accurate?

Tom, it is called Faith.

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TomS,

The general effect of questioning Holy Scripture is to imply that the Fathers of the Church were not guided by the Holy Spirit when they desided on the Canon for Holy Scripture.

The writings of the Holy Apostle Paul are Scripture just the same as the Four Gospels. You haven't questioned anything in there so why question what else is included in Scripture?

Ideas that say Paul disliked women and such come from people that aren't even Christian, all these Ideas tend to do is confuse people and to try to lead them away from the True Faith.

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