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Pope Thanks Putin...

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Pope Thanks Putin for Helping Boost Orthodox Ties

By Shasta Darlington
VATICAN CITY (Reuters)

Pope John Paul, during a private audience at the Vatican Wednesday, thanked Russian President Vladimir Putin for his efforts to bring the Catholic and Orthodox churches closer.

But the courtesy visit, Putin's second in three years, was not expected to pave the way for the 83-year-old pontiff to fulfill his long-hoped-for trip to Russia any time soon.
The pope received Putin in his papal apartments and greeted him in Russian.
He thanked Putin "for all he has done to bring the Catholic Church and the Orthodox Church closer together," said a Russian journalist who was present during their initial greeting.
The two then held a 30-minute private meeting, accompanied only by a translator.
"Both parties gave their best wishes for positive developments in the dialogue between the Holy See and the Moscow Patriarchy," Vatican spokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls said.
Ahead of his visit to Italy, Putin said he wanted to help improve soured relations between the Orthodox and Catholic churches but was not optimistic about an imminent papal visit.
His failing health could prevent the pope, a key figure in the downfall of communism in Eastern Europe, from realizing his dream of visiting Moscow unless an opportunity presented itself in the very near future.
But attempts to promote dialogue between the Vatican and a reinvigorated Russian Orthodox Church, tainted by a decade of post-Communist suspicions, have made little progress.
"I therefore see my objective not in helping to get the pope to Russia but in helping steps toward unity. And naturally this is possible only if there is an understanding between churches," Putin told Italian journalists before leaving Russia.
Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi said relations between the churches also came up during his meeting with Putin earlier Wednesday.
Pope John Paul sees reconciliation with Orthodoxy, separated from the Catholic faith since the Great Schism of 1054, as a goal of his papacy. He first visited an Orthodox country, Romania, in 1999 and has since toured many ex-Soviet states.

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Why did the pope 'bless' the icon? Icons are already blessed! Why did the pope not just give it to Putin to return to the Russian people? There is probably no safer way. This is all just a power play of the pope obviously!

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MOSCOW (AP) -- An Orthodox Church spokesman on Thursday voiced hope for improving relations with the Vatican in the wake of President Vladimir Putin's meeting with Pope John Paul II, but said nothing about the prospect of a papal visit to Russia.

"We know that there are people in the Vatican who show goodwill toward our church," Interfax reported Father Vsevolod Chaplin as saying. "We hope that this attitude will prevail and the Vatican policy will stop bringing us unpleasant surprises."

In a gesture of reconciliation during his meeting with Putin on Wednesday, John Paul had his aides bring into the Vatican Library the icon of the Mother of God of Kazan revered by Russian believers, which usually hangs in his private chapel.

John Paul has said he wants to return the icon as a gift to the Russian people, but he did not give it to Putin to take home. :ohvey:

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Disgusting!!! The Pope Rome may very well be an Anti-Christ!

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I've just got to play Devil's Advocate here for a sec!

What if the Pope were to return the icon to Patriarch Alexy? I'm wondering how members of this group would feel about that? When I read that the Pope did not give Putin the icon, I was very disapointed. But on further thought...I do think, that if he plans to return the icon to Russia, and if the Pope lives long enough to do it, perhaps it should go to the Patriarch. What do you think?

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I personally feel that the Pope is using the icon as a barganing chip.

"If you let me visit Russia, I give you your icon back".

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<LatinTrad cautiously looks out over the wall>

I don't blame the Pope for being hesitant about giving the icon of Kazan to the ROC.

1) AFAIK, Patriarch Alexey is sitting on countless Catholic churches that were stolen from us by the Soviets. He has not announced plans to return the churches.

2) Patriarch Alexey has no intention of allowing the Catholic Church to minister freely to its congregations in Russia.

3) The Pope knows that if he were to simply give the icon to the MP, without any concern for the welfare of oppressed Catholics in Russia, it would appear that he was betraying his own flock.

Food for thought?

<duck bullets>

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