Prayer with the non-Orthodox?

尼古拉前执事 · Thu 14 September 2006 8:45 pm

Matthew,

You need to look at what the Church has always taught through the Church Fathers rather than making up your mind first and then trying to defend it without the consensus of the Church through Her saints. Father Mark is right, so are the Apostolic Canons of the Church.

TomS · Post by **TomS** » Thu 14 September 2006 8:49 pm

Deacon Nikolai wrote:
Matthew,

You need to look at what the Church has always taught through the Church Fathers rather than making up your mind first and then trying to defend it without the consensus of the Church through Her saints. Father Mark is right, so are the Apostolic Canons of the Church.

Exactly right.

Pensees · Post by **Pensees** » Thu 14 September 2006 8:53 pm

Deacon Nikolai wrote:
Father Mark is right, so are the Apostolic Canons of the Church.

What basis do I have to trust Father Mark over Father William? Orthodoxy, as I've been taught by my own particular congregation, does not equal phariseeism. This sounds like super-correctness to me.

Originally posted by asorthodox
[br]I could not believe that God would not want us praying together. Certainly if nothing in a prayer contradicts are faith then we are not in any danger. We see examples of joint prayer by our Hierarchs and throughout our Church. As far as canons, they are there for our Bishops to apply for they discern the meaning behind the canon, circumstances for which it was written, etc. They are not some rule book.
Fr. William
http://orthodoxforum.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=424

Peace.

尼古拉前执事 · Thu 14 September 2006 9:01 pm

Look to the Church Fathers, the Saints of the Church and see who they, in context, agree with. It will be Father Mark. Following the Canons when it comes to Faith is correctness, no super-correctness.

Pensees · Post by **Pensees** » Thu 14 September 2006 9:02 pm

Would that make hierarchs of the Orthodox Church heretics also?

TomS · Post by **TomS** » Thu 14 September 2006 9:06 pm

Pensees wrote:
What basis do I have to trust Father Mark over Father William? Orthodoxy, as I've been taught by my own particular congregation, does not equal phariseeism. This sounds like super-correctness to me.

The teachings of the Fathers and the Praxis of the Church over the last 1900+ years are the Faith. If the Father's have consitently taught throughout that history that the faithful are NOT supposed to pray with non-Orthodox then that is the way it is.

If you don't want to accept it, then that is your choice. But don't try to say that it is un-Orthodox, because history shows that it is Orthodox.

My refrain is consistent when it comes to the Church, both good and bad, to find the truth, READ THE HISTORY.

Pensees · Post by **Pensees** » Thu 14 September 2006 9:08 pm

Evangelical Protestantism didn't exist in the early Church, it cannot be compared to Gnosticism and Arianism. Though their theology is flawed, they are not heretics.