Fr Pavel Florensky

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Fr Pavel Florensky

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Does anyone know much about him and whether his works are fine to read?

I found this article in which one of his works discusses philia and how there are some subversive people who use his work to justify homosexuality. What I found interesting was that he seems to have been included with the New Martrys as he was among those "purged" by order of Stalin. But I found this in which they claim ROCOR denies its the same person:

After the communists closed the Moscow Theological Academy, Florensky spent most of the 1920s and early 1930s working for the State Electrification Commission. During these dismal times, he continued both his theological research and scientific investigations and publications. Florensky had powerful protectors in the Soviet establishment, initially Leon Trotsky, impressed with Florensky’s abilities. Florensky made no attempts to conceal his faith or his priesthood; he worked and gave scientific papers in his cassock, much to the dismay of hard-line communists. He was arrested a first time in 1928, but quickly released, thanks to the intervention of Ekaterina Peshkova, wife of writer Maxim Gorky.

But as the Stalinist assault on religion persisted, even Florensky’s protectors could no longer shelter him. Refusing offers to go into exile, he was arrested in February 1933 and sent to Siberia, where he conducted research on permafrost, and then to the White Sea island of Solovki, whose famous monastery was converted to a gulag especially for political and religious figures. Even there he continued his research, developing a procedure for producing iodine and agar from seaweed. But he was a victim of the great purge of 1937, when Stalin ordered the “liquidation” of tens of thousands of “enemies of the people.” Florensky was sentenced to death by an NKVD commission and executed by firing squad on December 8, 1937....

Certainly, Florensky’s theology has had its share of critics since the publication of The Pillar and Ground of the Truth over a century ago. Critics focus mainly on his sophiology—the complex doctrine of Divine Wisdom—and the absence of a robust Christology in the work. But even his strongest critics do not call into question his treatment of divine and human love. In 1981, the Russian Orthodox Church outside Russia canonized all Christian victims of communism, implicitly including Florensky. ROCOR subsequently denied that the name i. Pavel Fl. appearing on the frame of the glorification icon of the New Martyrs and Confessors of Russia was that of the great theologian, leaving his canonization in some doubt. Fr. Pavel Florensky would be the greatest victim of a campaign to drag him into the same-sex love battleground. Florensky, “perhaps the most remarkable person devoured by the gulag” in the words of Alexander Solzhenitsyn, was a great Christian martyr, a brilliant and bold witness to divine Truth and divine philia-Love.

https://publicorthodoxy.org/2021/02/26/ ... -sex-love/

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wait a minute, as I am rereading the article, I realized that they mentioned "Sophiology" and now I'm wondering if that is the same as the heresy regarding some "feminine fourth person in the Godhead?"

This would make more sense why ROCOR denied him if that is what he taught. But perhaps someone here knows much more.

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Pavel Florensky was a good friend with Sergei Bulgakov (and was the one who convinced him to leave politics and become a priest). Sergei Bulgakov was influenced by the works of the occultist Vladimir Solovyov, who was excommunicated by the Church and developed a myriad of different ideas including Sophiology and also proposed an idea similar to Anglican branch theory that the Roman Catholic church and the Orthodox Church were part of a "mystical church" that existed outside of time.

Florensky and Bulgakov both disseminated these ideas of Sophiology, which led to Bulgakov being condemned by the Sergianists with their anathema against Sophiology in 1933 and Bulgakov joined the Paris Schism led by Evlogiy as a result. After joining Paris he became the spiritual father to this Maria Skobtsova (Maria of Paris, who was an open communist) the EP glorified.

Florensky stayed in Russia and spent time in the gulags. He apparently helped hide the relics of St. Sergius of Radonezh which is why the Communists arrested him, he had also been involved with the Imiaslavie controversy but I can't actually find any sources saying which side he was on.

Some people in the ROCOR thought Florensky was a Martyr and he was included on some versions of the New Martyrs of Russia icon, however Vladyka Gregory (Grabbe) of blessed memory made sure he was not included in any future icons or to be considered a Martyr due to his preaching of Sophiology which the ROCOR condemned at a Sobor in 1934, St. John Maximovitch's work "On the Orthodox Veneration of the Mother of God" was written as a response to the Sophiologist heretics as well.

post scriptum: Bulgakov and Florensky were also both against Monarchy. I don't think any of Pavel Florensky's works have been translated into English but one of them seems to be a response to Aleksandr Bulatovich (who was a central figure to the Imiaslavie controversy). It might be interesting for historical note and he did some work in the field of mathematics which may be of interest as well.

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Thank you Sava for that detailed response. This makes more sense as to why we don’t recognize him among the New Martyrs

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Florenskii's magnum opus, Pillar and Ground of Truth, is translated into English. In there or other works, Florenskii seemed to take an extreme, intellectual, academic name-worshipping position that the name-glorifying monastics Antonii Bulatovich and David Mukhranov criticized as error. That is why we always must separate academic name-worshipers from monastic name-glorifiers. They were separate groups with separate understandings. The syncretistic academics supported the monks, but the monks repudiated the syncretistic academics. Obviously, name-veneration and name-adoration are different according to the standard of the Seventh Ecumenical Synod.

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This is all helpful !
I had thought he was relatively harmless

NOW I see WHO is promoting the really BAD STUFF about Fr Pavel Florensky ! That site is SO DREADFUL ! I had blessedly forgotten their existence.

That nun Maria was a big Communist ? I knew she was socialist-leaning but didn't realize she was THAT far left - EWWW !
I always felt repelled from even reading about her. Now i know better why, though there are plenty of reasons.

Good that this topic was brought up so to educate people - including me - as to the truth about both of these figures.

Approximately, if known, what did Fr Pavel write in reply to the notorious Aleksander Bulatovich ?

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PS That's certainly a big strike against Florensky [we already KNEW about Bulgakov being a liberal] that he was against the Monarchy.
What WERE Florensky's politics, then ? Supporter of the February Revolution ?

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