An anti-liberal rant...w/some sense

Liudmilla · Post by **Liudmilla** » Tue 4 January 2005 9:15 am

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Wishing you a very Liberal Christmas
12/23/2004 15:53
Charles Dickens must have had American liberals in mind when he first thought of the character Ebenezer Scrooge for his book, "A Christmas Carol". At the very least, I think that in some strange prophetic way, he foresaw the characteristics of 21st century Democrats and members of the American Civil Liberties Union while writing about Mr. Scrooge.

Just like Scrooge at the start of the Dickens tale, liberals have little use for Christmas. Unlike Scrooge after the visit of the three ghosts, liberals will never change their warped way of thinking.

Today there is a growing campaign in America to strip Christianity and anything to do with Christmas from our schools and other public places. Schools have been forced to ban Christmas parties and municipal buildings no longer display nativity scenes out of the fear of frivolous lawsuits. The villains in this anti-Christianity campaign are liberals. Their hit men are the ACLU"s legions of liberal lawyers.

In a strange twist of logic, the ACLU and their "I will do anything for money" lawyers, would rather allow young children to practice putting condoms on bananas, than allow them to have simple Christmas parties in public school classrooms.

'logic of taking Christmas out of classrooms very peculiar, since 90 percent of Americans are Christians. Making laws that offend 90 percent of the population to protect a mere 10 percent is baffling to my conservative mind. Some schools in California actually require students to take classes teaching Islamic religion and customs but will not allow Christmas parties or Christmas trees in the classrooms.

Most parents of the students in our public schools would rather have their children play with balloons at Christmas parties, not condoms and bananas in sex education classes. And I am sure most would rather have their children learn about Christianity along with the Islamic religion. Why exclude one religion but allow the other? Is this some sort of liberal equal opportunity?

I guess in twisted liberal logic, condoms over Christmas and Islam over Christianity make perfect sense. I guess this touchy feely logic is suppose to make everyone feel good while singing Kum-By-Ya, collecting welfare checks and watching students place condoms on bananas. I for one am outraged by this way of thinking.

I know I will never truly understand liberals and their twisted illogical thinking. Not that I am comparing liberals to dogs, but understanding them is like trying to understand why dogs act so weird. For instance: Why do some dogs eat their own ...well, I will not go there.

The ACLU website tries to explain its existence and its twisted logic. Their section on
Religious Justice states: "The right of every American to practice his or her own religion or no religion at all, is among the most fundamental of the freedoms guaranteed by the Bill of Rights. The Constitution's framers understood very well that religious liberty can flourish only if the government leaves religion alone."

Below is the First Amendment from the Bill of Rights. Compare this to the ACLU statement above.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."
I defy someone to prove to me, the ACLU claims that "Constitution"s framers understood very well that religious liberty can flourish only if the government leaves religion alone." Where does it say that in the First Amendment? I think it read just the opposite. We have the right to practice freedom of religion everywhere.

I know I am not a bottom feeding lawyer, or a card-carrying member of the ACLU, so I don't see things through liberal eyes. But it looks to me like the founding fathers of the United States of America wanted to protect its citizens from "state organized" religion like the Church of England in the 1700's. I really don't think they would have objected to Christmas parties in the classroom or nativity scenes in Courthouses. And, I really can't imagine what they would think about condoms and bananas.

Well enough liberal bashing for one column, it is Christmas after all. I would like to wish everyone a very Merry Christmas and Happy Chanukah.

One last thing concerning Dickens and "A Christmas Carol". I am sure that if little Tiny Tim were here with us today he would tell all the liberals around the world these words in a sweet, tiny, barely audible voice: MERRY CHRISTMAS MORONS, and to all a good night.

Steve Darnell

Please send comments and Christmas wishes to comments@stevedarnell.com

gphadraig · Post by **gphadraig** » Wed 5 January 2005 6:51 pm

Now why pick on Morons? Isn't this ableism? Shame on you when all humankind is struggling to achieve a truly inclusive society..........

(Yes, Marge, I know that doesn't include meat-eaters, homophobes, vivsectionists, Zionists, neo-conservatives, men, members of religious cults - Marge, you know what I mean, Salvation Army and such like -, practioners of elitist sports, hunters, shooters and fishermen,,,,,,,,,,,)

And I would wish Happy Holidays to you Steve, but I hate to tell you but you've kind of missed it..................?

(Marge, that was a very unkind thing to say, even us wimmin occasionally forget things.........)

frluke · Post by **frluke** » Wed 12 January 2005 5:35 pm

What puzzles me is the rather knee Jerk support for the evangelical fundamentalist protestant agenda so easily bought into by so called intelligent Orthodox Christians. Every Sunday you hear the Beatitudes, say the Lords Prayer and understand the Sermon on the Mount. Any just reading of the conservative political agenda being promoted will tell any Orthodox Christian that it is contrary to the basic understanding of Christian Doctrine.

Priest Luke

sue57 · Post by **sue57** » Wed 12 January 2005 9:40 pm

To Father Luke, and others, I wanted to post a rather odd experience I had a few days ago, with is somewhat related to this thread. I was having dinner with friends the other night, one of whom was about to go back to China, where he moved to, five years ago. Another acquaintance showed up, someone who I hadn't seen in a few years (all four of us present used to work together.) Well, this person and I got in a rather "spirited" discussion about same-sex marriage, before I knew it, the conversation got quite heated. I think we both felt quite bad, and we were both trying to meet "half-way." I kept saying that marriage to me is a holy sacrament, and cannot be equated with civil marriage and whatever legal benefits that may entail. This guy I argued with also mentioned that (Russian) Orthodoxy was, in his words "hardcore." However, we did end up agreeing that neither one of us liked James Dobson, and I did say that I thought his views have nothing to do with Christianity. (The reason I won't order any of Light & LIfe's books is because they also sell Dobson's books on raising children. Why does any Orthodox person need to be told by a Protestant evangelical how to raise their kids? We have much better sources than that!)
Anyway, it's such a puzzle! I dislike the intolerance of evangelicals, yet, when it comes to issues like abortion and same-sex marriage, I agree with them, yet at the same time, I feel like Orthodoxy is a completely different expression and practice of Christianity.
Our world is so confused, that somehow, Orthodoxy seems to have something in common with a conservative political adgenda, when, in truth, Christ's Church is outside of politics. I remember Pat Robertson saying on television, that Christ showed approval for capital punishment by submitting to his own crucifixtion (!) With all of the Church Father's, do we really need this sort of theology?

frluke · Post by **frluke** » Wed 12 January 2005 11:21 pm

Dear sue57,

Thank you for your thoughtful response. We have no common cause with those people, your absolutely right. The problem is that we are a culture of slogans and they ring our bell with them. I'm continually appalled at the doctrinal ignorance of most of the American Orthodox I encounter, both cradle and convert, though the converts are as a rule generally more informed. The fault is within the Clergy. We assume to much and teach to little.

In IC XC,

priest luke