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As an American convert in the ROCOR struggling with the impending unification of the ROCOR and the MP, I was somewhat perplexed, and not a little amused, to find this article on Interfax. I never realized until today that I am, apparently, a "CIA-influenced Neo-Protestant," engaged in the potential subversion of Vladimir Putin's vision of a greater, pan-Slavic Russian Reich. I thought that I was simply engaged in a bewildered review of St. Cyril of Kazan's letters from the early 1930's, in which he indicated that Metropolitan Sergius was clearly not designated as a Locum Tenans of the Patriarchate by (Patriarch) St. Tikhon. As clearly as I can understand St. Cyril's epistles, the Moscow Patriarchy would cease to have legitimate canonical status if a new Patriarch was not freely elected by the survivng heirarchs (almost all of whom were imprisoned at the time) prior to the death of the three Locum Tenans heirarchs designated by St. Tikhon--including St. Cyril, himself. Has such an election ever occurred?

Sincerely,

--a bewildered, CIA-influenced neo-Protestant

15 January 2007, 17:16
Stalling on signing Act of Canonical Communion profitable for US intelligence services - Union of Orthodox Citizens

Moscow, January 15, Interfax - Standing behind the calls 'to wait a little' with signing the Act of Canonical Communion between the Moscow Patriarchate and the Russian Church Abroad are forces unfriendly to Russia, Kirill Frolov, press secretary of the Union of Orthodox Citizens, has said to Interfax on Monday.

Bishop Gabriel of Manhattan, secretary of the ROCOR Synod, in a talk to the New York-based Novoye Russkoye Slovo the other day described the signing of the Act as 'premature' and called not to be surprised if, as a result of the signing, 'some parishes (of the ROCOR - IF) will begin looking for another jurisdiction, while some parishioners will simply stop coming to the church'.

'Those members of the Church Abroad who have fallen victim to the CIA men's propaganda should be given an opportunity for visiting Russia and the Russian church until May 17, 2007, so that they may see the Orthodox life and Russia and that the Russian Church is free and that there is no obstacles whatsoever for communion with it', Frolov said commenting on the bishop's statement.

He maintains that Bishop Gabriel 'is in close contact with a group of anti-Russia-minded tycoons - Gusinsky and Malashenko, who is responsible for showing the sacrilegious anti-Christian Last Temptation on the NTV channel, and that the bishop's statements concerning the Act sound false and ridiculous, for he himself provokes the flock and then says they are 'not ready'.

Who is 'not ready and will never be ready' is also a part of the flock abroad, Frolov believes, 'led by Yevgeniy Magerovsky, a US secret service colonel with a 35 year-long experience, who does not at all conceal but rather prides himself on his belonging to the US special services'.

A handful of people led by him blackmails the Synod of the Church Abroad by threats to go into schism if the Act is signed. This blackmail is misplaced because the Russian Church hardly needs this CIA-influenced 'flock' who struggle with Orthodoxy by supporting the anti-church Orange Revolution in Ukraine and slander Russia now being inchurched!' the representative of the Union of Orthodox Citizens stated.

These faithful of the ROCOR, he believes, 'are actually neo-Protestants who argue that it is the sheep who must tend pastors'.

Frolov also pointed to the 'odious' nature of the newspaper that has published the comments of the ROCOR bishop and to its sympathy for 'the orange' mass media in Ukraine.

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Interfax article content: complete and absolute propaganda gargbage, which unfortunately some people utilise.

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Helen,

But, it does let us see what they are thinking. I like to see their side of it because it makes me more convinced that they are liars and haters of Christ's Church. They accuse the opposers to union of not loving the Church. That's a laugh! They are so transparent. It just gives me more conviction to oppose them.

Joanna

Create in me a clean heart, O God, and renew a right spirit within me. (Ps. 50)

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Yea...like trying to read the Star magazine for real wrold news.....

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STAR magazine or the new "Pravda"

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Katerina,

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  I appreciate your acknowlegement that the Interfax article about the ROCOR anti-unionist movement is pure garbage--Soviet style propaganda.  On the other hand, you have recently remarked in another post in this forum that "Soviet" is a thing of the past.  Who, then poisoned Litvinenko and the pro-democracy President of the Ukraine?  Boris Yeltsin?   And who, pray tell, is concocting this current Interfax propaganda about the ROCOR?  Karl Rove?  Do you really imagine that Vladimir Putin and his associates (including his old KGB colleague Patriarch Alexy Ridiger) have undergone major personality changes/metanoia since the days--right up to the present-- when they collaborated in the recruitment and murder of Orthodox Christians and the theft of Orthodox Churches and monasteries?  I would suggest that you read the Mitokhin KGB archives--published in 1999 as The Sword and the Shield by Basic Books.  There is also a recent interview with a ROCOR-V priest in Moscow that was posted this month (http://sbn-nathanael.livejournal.com/85807.html)  which says much about the current realities of life in and around the MP.
     It is important that we not live in denial of the realities of Stalinism, and its enduring legacy in the Moscow Patriarchate and Russia at large.  It has been transmuted lately into a groundswell of Russian nationalist/fascist passion (pride) that I fear has very little to do with Orthodox Christian virtues like faith, hope, love, and humility.
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Pravoslavnik

sbn-nathanael.livejournal.com/85807.html

Nathanael! He's the last person you should trust with accurate news. He's been a sore point in this chatboard for awhile; and that is something many of us,here, can agree on, even with our opposite views with each other.

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That criticism of the link is an "ad hominem" argument--an attack on the man rather than discussing the information presented. What do you think of the information in the "Moscow Speaks" interview with a Russian priest who has literally put his life on the line for many years by refusing to collaborate with Patriarch Drozhdov and the FSB'? He has some very interesting things to say about the people he has known personally in Russia who have collaborated with the MP in Russia. In Western, Faustian parlance, we would call it "selling your soul to the Devil." What happens to people who "sell their soul" in this fashion-- ROCOR Metropolitan Laurus, Archbishop Mark, or Archbishop Kyril of San Francisco, for example, the false shepherds who abandoned their flocks to the wolves? The Scots had an old saying that "the Devil takes care of his own," at least in this world. Now the news has come out that Laurus has a posh mansion in a Moscow suburb, purchased for him in the 1990's before the KGB forced Metropolitan Vitaly out of the ROCOR Synod (in the 2000 coup d'etat.) Who bought Laurus' Moscow mansion for him? Does anyone know?

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