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Orthodox6 wrote:

I do suggest, earnestly, that when people want to share articles from other websites, that they simply post a "live" link, and a brief description of what is at the link. .... (. . . and, yes, copyright IS being violated by such large-scale "borrowings.")

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Thank you. Orthodox6. You beat me to that, pointing out the violation of copyrighted material. It's stealing.

FYI, Kollyvas was here 2 years ago witht the handle of Bogatyr. Iirc, the moderators exercised their responsiblities on some of his posts then.

About 5 years ago, he tried to make the Usenet group Alt.Religion.Christian.East-Orthodox a place for his publishing with the same scorn and disdain for others who disagree with him, comments about their not having anything to say, no content, etc etc.

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Of "ebors"...

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I've made it a point as to explain my agenda. Indeed, it seems my transperancy has been offered without ad hominem; whereas, the others, not even signed posts...Others who seem to be firing shots at me could at least put forward specifics in their ad homnimnem tirades rather than looking like rebuffed children throwing tantrums...It's strange how they try to silence those they disagree with with nothing more than puerile attempts at conjuring a scandal.
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Fr. Komarovsky and his lackies can do better. FYI to all--those yelling the loudest are denouncing me for being stalwart in defense of Orthodoxy as the UNA SANCTA...I'm comfortable being the enemy of those who hate TRUTH.

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Ad hominems.........

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Christ is Among Us!
Dear Kollyvas-
An ad hominem attack is one in which the person is directly attacked. Most of the posts taking issue with what you have written object to the specific of your TONE of vindictiveness towards anyone not in lockstep with your convictions. You almost always respond by attacking the CHARACTER of the person disagreeing with you- THIS is what an ad hominem attack is.
When a brother or sister in Christ asks you to speak in a mature, respectful and loving manner, it is not because they are the ones throwing a childish tantrum.
As for the insinuation that the posters here who happen to disagree with Kollyvas care less for the UNA SANCTA of the Orthodox Faith than he does- and he doesn't care what such fools think anyway.........well, THAT, my friend, sounds a lot like a childish tantrum. Perhaps WE are not the ones who need to grow up........
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Rd. David- your brother in the Church

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Kollyvas, almost hate to say, but I agree with you. I am not sure what your agenda is or what jurisdiction you follow, but folks this is the Misc. Site. If it's a censure thing, I do believe there is a few other people that could be addressed. At least Kollyvas here doesn't go on the a raving mad man. If in fact it is a space issue then that should be addressed with management. Oh for the record: member of ROCOR - L and pro MP unification...In case anyone was wondering.

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reproof...

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Addressing someone directly and attempted scandal mongering is not a "brotherly protest at tone" but an attempt at character assassination aimed at my person to discredit me (lat. ad hominem. "at the man"). Surely out of the myriad of posts and material I've put up some specifics could be found, rather than attacking my person. Why the sanctimonious objection "to my tone" even lacked specifics. Maturity shows a capability to disagree and dialogue rationally, and all this miscellany of malcontents has shown is that it can't engage me on topic so they try to wag the dog by assaulting the person in the hopes of shutting him up. You do not have to agree with me, nor even respond to things i put forward. I have outlined my agenda. If you cannot engage with specifics, stop harassing me...The Indiana List with your various masters awaits.
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Kollyvas wrote:

Addressing someone directly and attempted scandal mongering is not a "brotherly protest at tone" but an attempt at character assassination aimed at my person to discredit me (lat. ad hominem. "at the man"). Surely out of the myriad of posts and material I've put up some specifics could be found, rather than attacking my person. Why the sanctimonious objection "to my tone" even lacked specifics. Maturity shows a capability to disagree and dialogue rationally, and all this miscellany of malcontents has shown is that it can't engage me on topic so they try to wag the dog by assaulting the person in the hopes of shutting him up. You do not have to agree with me, nor even respond to things i put forward. I have outlined my agenda. If you cannot engage with specifics, stop harassing me...The Indiana List with your various masters awaits.
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My charity, The problem is you don't give an opinion on anything. You will not discuss your thoughts. you will not comment on anything but about how someone is attacking you. You cut and paste articles from web sites so frequently I seriously doubt you read any of them in thier entirety. I don't mind your linking to news, just comment on it.

What do you think about this? http://www.cdi.org/russia/johnson/8383-4.cfm is this a good thing or a bad thing? Do you agree with the way the study was conducted? What would you do if it were up to you to fix it?

Or how about this: http://www.cdi.org/russia/246-13.cfm or this: http://www.nes.ru/english/about/10th-An ... rrocks.pdf or this: http://www.nes.ru/english/research/abst ... skov-e.htm or this: http://www.wsws.org/articles/2005/mar20 ... -m11.shtml or this: http://www.ilo.org/public/english/burea ... russia.htm or this: http://www.ilo.org/public/english/emplo ... ussian.htm or this: http://wbln0018.worldbank.org/dg/povert ... enDocument or this: http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/ab ... 05.00262.x or this: http://issues.strana.ru/announce/15098.html or this: http://www.doctorswithoutborders.org/pu ... 5-2002.cfm or this: http://www.cdi.org/russia/johnson/7071-10.cfm

These are all cut and pasted urls in ONE topic you posted titled "MUST READ Russia's new problem " I agree poverty is important, but why all the pasties? Poverty in Russia is not new, and hardly news. Post what you like. Give an opinion on it... What do you think...feel...hope...hate... other wise you are posting rubbish with NO context to discuss anything.

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An agenda laid out...

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If you bother to READ, I've given full disclosure on my agenda. I'm not going to stand for no-nothing nonsense. Either READ the posts where my opinion is clearly put forward or not, but don't waste my time with semi-literacy. Now, poverty in Russia is precisely important BECAUSE THERE ARE VILLAINS OUT THERE EXPLOITING THE POOR and there are others in ROCOR IGNORING IT. Holy Russia is not being reborn, more like an Eastern European Mexico City. To maintain that since poverty always exists it need not be addressed is so ignorant as to not merit further comment: social justice is an obligation of the Gospel, and a compromised MP and compromising ROCOR are leaving it to the side and not addressing it. "Have you clothed me when I was naked, fed me when I hungered...?" These people are dear to me for they are my people and they are Orthodox people. The whole picture begins to take shape when one considers demographic shifts in Russia, the growth of islam, the waiting resurgence of the communists. All these things DO INDEED IMPACT REBIRTH OF HOLY RUSSIA and the Orthodox centre in the world. THE INFORMATION IS PROVIDED WITHOUT EDITORIAL SO that discerning parties form their own opinions--i HAVE never SHYED AWAY FROM DISCUSSING NOT ONE POST ONCE AN OPINION HAS BEEN PUT FORWARD, BUT IT'S NOT MY AIM TO program but discuss things with people WHO ARE INFORMED, avoiding the ignorant morass your ilk keeps putting forward. Now, trouble me not again--anything you have to say is ignorant, uninfoormed and lacking any and all Orthodox formation and sincerity. Go and trouble someone else in your shangri la of nonsense.
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Posted: Sat 5 November 2005 12:53 am Post subject: Setting Down a Foundation


Since this thread is aimed at me, I'll use it to give explanation of my participation, ground and assert myself...

1). My name is Rostislav Mikhailovich Malleev-Pokrovsky. To avoid repatriation after WWII my father took the name "zacharczuk" which I occassionally abbreviate to "Zachary" when I speak to non-orthodox in a secular setting. The name of my patron Saint in Baptism was Michael, and that is used in secular circles. R is fine to address me--Michael if you must--Rostislav Mikailovich is prefered. My wife's name is Lori nee Schambura. Her paron Saint is HNM GD Elizabeth.

2). I commune now in a SCOBA jurisdiction. I was raised with the MP and the OCa; and I was well acquainted with the Ukrainians. My Baptism was regularized in Jordanville, and I was a member of ROCOR until that body was compromised by the Fr. Komarovsky camarilla. I left for reasons of conscience but still do ground myself in the ROCOR of the era of Blessed +Metropolitan Philaret. I am positively predisposed to grassroots trends in the MP, and, as a Tikhonite, seek All-Russian unity. I value resistance and respect Traditionalist bodies: ROCiE, ROAC, Aetna, Milan, +Met. Pavlos. I am sympathetic to priested Old Rite. I consider myself Russian Orthodox. The second phase of my formation occured at St. Anthony's in Florence, ans I carry with it a thorough appreciation for Athonite Orthodoxy. I am currently further pursuing theological studies and one day plan--God Willing--to complete Orthodox studies at St. Vladimir's. I eschew talk of schism, but rather stress a united Oikumene anathemizing ecumenism, renovationism, sergianism and rejecting unionism.

3). Theologically, my thought is grounded on the scholarship put forward by Fr. Georges Florovsky, +Metropolitan Hierotheos & the Neo-Kollyvades Movement, St. Justin (Popovich), the Kollyvades Fathers, St. Isaac of Syria, St. Maximos the Confessor, St. Cyril of Alexandria, the Cappadocians, St. Dionysios, St. Irenaeus of Lyons, the Desert Fathers, FATHER SOPHRONY, ST IGNATIOS OF STAVROPOL, St. Nektarios, Lossky, Fr. Meyendorff, Fr. Kern, Prof. Cavarnos, Aetna, Fr. Staniloae, +Arch Basil (Krivocheine), primarily...

4). Politically as an American, I am a conservative populist Reagan Republican. As a Russian, I believe in restoration of the empire and the monarchy, but i do value the positive things Putin has done. As an Orthodox Christian, I favour the restoration of the Byzantine Commonwealth with a Constantinopolitan center with a seated emperor. I am not an anti-semite, but I am an anti-communist and i am opposed to all trends which seek to disrupt and/or destroy Orthodox nations and cultures. I am especially opposed to ukrainian separatism, but I am sympathetic to the hetmanate. I am most influenced by the Platonists, the Stoics, L. Strauss/Rosen/Bloom, Stolypin, Holy Emperor Justinian, Holy Emperor Theodosios the Great. I am a new classicalist.

5). The purpose of what I present is manifold:
a. To support Orthodox resistance while promoting Orthodox unity and reconciliation.
b. To support the Tikhonite agenda and what was ROCOR...
c. To illustrate the conditions of modern Russia and the East so that others can make INFORMED assessments of whats transpiring.
d. To illustrate and lionize the bloodlust and insanity of islam and its effects on the world and us.
e. To promote an American/Diasporan Orthodoxy which is a restoration of Orthodoxy in the West, grounded in the Orthodox Tradition.
f. To inform of the hostile climate of the secular world to develop Orthodox solutions.
g. To promote reconciliation of Non-Chalcedonians under the framework set forth at the Fifth Ecumenical Council.

Now we are acquainted...
R M Malleev-Pokrovsky
People who have personal problems with me from henceforth I request to contact me privately.

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