DavidHawthorne wrote:One canon, two canons, an ecumenical kissing council, the general gist of saints' advice?.............
Hopefully all of the above, including Scripture. I looooove to make out, I really do. But if I must give it up, I'll consider it.
Peace.
Pensees wrote:Hopefully all of the above, including Scripture. I looooove to make out, I really do. But if I must give it up, I'll consider it.
Peace.
I also have "looooove(d)" making out- even when I felt guilty afterwards...... but can we agree that romantic kissing is sexual in nature and that we should at least be able to generally apply the principles of chastity to pre-marital kissing?
If so, three Scriptures that apply the principle of chastity without mentioning the specific of kissing that could be applied to the subject by serious Christians: It is GOOD for a man not to touch a woman.(1 Corinthians 7:1) Walk in the Spirit and you shall not fulfill the lusts of the flesh.(Galatians 5:16) Treat younger women as sisters, with absolute purity.(1 Timothy 5:2).......?
I hesitate to do the research to actually answer this question in-depth because, having done so several times in the past and supplied a dozen or more patristic quotes on any given subject, and being answered with something to the effect of:"Ah, yes, of course the Fathers said THAT, but it was due to their cultural conditioning. Of course, it doesn't apply today because we understand that BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH......." Not that you would say that necessarily, Matthew, but this is what I have had to respond to more times than I can count- anyone else out there with a betterknowledge of the Scriptures/Canons regarding intimacy before marriage.
In Christ,
Rd. David
Pensees wrote:DavidHawthorne wrote:But if I must give it up, I'll consider it.
Peace.
I'm sure this was said "tongue in cheek" (your own, I mean) but if I MUST give it up, I'LL CONSIDER IT.............is this not already a "What can I get away with" rather than a "What is the most I can do for Christ" approach to the subject?..........just a thought..........
DavidHawthorne wrote:Pensees wrote:I also have "looooove(d)" making out- even when I felt guilty afterwards...... but can we agree that romantic kissing is sexual in nature and that we should at least be able to generally apply the principles of chastity to pre-marital kissing?
To be honest, I've never passionately kissed without it leading to sex in some form. But maybe, just maybe, I could break that habit. Or maybe I'd just be playing with fire. I haven't kissed anyone since November, and I often feel that it is eating me inside.
DavidHawthorne wrote:Pensees wrote:It is GOOD for a man not to touch a woman.
Why, do women have leprosy? I'd assume Saint Paul is implying that a man shouldn't cling to a woman. This could, after all, be a hyperbole.
DavidHawthorne wrote:
What about women who are your own age? Is it possible to kiss and maintain purity at the same time?
Peace.
Pensees wrote:DavidHawthorne wrote:Pensees wrote:I also have "looooove(d)" making out- even when I felt guilty afterwards...... but can we agree that romantic kissing is sexual in nature and that we should at least be able to generally apply the principles of chastity to pre-marital kissing?
To be honest, I've never passionately kissed without it leading to sex in some form. But maybe, just maybe, I could break that habit. Or maybe I'd just be playing with fire. I haven't kissed anyone since November, and I often feel that it is eating me inside.
In that case, perhaps you are not playing with fire, but actually burning yourself
DavidHawthorne wrote:Why, do women have leprosasy? I'd assume Saint Paul is implying that a man shouldn't cling to a woman. This could, after all, be a hyperbole.
And it could be sensible advice. We don't avoid sex before marriage because sex is dirty but because it is holy and best reserved for marriage. Earth in your garden- where it belongs- is soil, on your living room carpet it is dirt. Women are not diseased, our passions are.
The custom then was to marry younger women, but yes it is possible to kiss and be pure with your girlfriend.........as long as you kiss her pretty much as you would your sister..........(Disclaimer: several cheeky comments came to mind at this point but, since it is Lent, I exercized some self-control)
DavidHawthorne wrote:Pensees wrote:DavidHawthorne wrote:Maybe, just maybe, I could kiss without burning myself again.
Obviously, there is a feeling of closeness and intimacy shared between a dating couple that isn't between brother and sister.
Pensees wrote:DavidHawthorne wrote:Pensees wrote:
Yes, but couldn't that "feeling of closeness and intimacy shared between a dating couple" be an additional reason to exercize caution since it is "hardwired" within us to lead to an intimacy not naturally shared between brother and sister?
