New Bishop for the Kyrikite-Romano-Kenyan Synod

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Please provide some proof for this, your reputation for making accusations and then not being able to prove them is well known.

Read Epiphanius' letter (I think you know greek) and you will see it! Actually I've used his words. Secondly fr. Antonios Jeorgantas has written a book titled "80 years of light and darkness" in which is revealed the real Tobros' face. This is a book for which Mattheites haven't respond yet. Besides your own bishop calls Eugenios Tombros "Tobros of sorrowful memory". This is pretty enough for me!!!

Met Philaret, had absolutly no authority to "repremant" the Matthewite synod..

This is clearly your opinion..! If the Matthewites believed that ROCOR hadn't any authority or officiality then they wouldn't have even think to accept any cheirothesia* from them!!! The same excusses 30 years now!

the matthewites read their confession of faith to rocor in 1971, and the matthewites were told that rocor agreed with it, and the matthewites were told that rocor would issue a written "confession of faith" condeming the new calendar and cutting all ties with world orthodoxy

How many times did they issued it? about 5 - 10 times?

all the matthewites were doing is asking for what they were promised, if rocor did not want to live up to their promises thats on their heads.

The phrases "individual incidents" and "period of adaptation" doesn't mean anything to you (and to your then bishops), obviously.

The change of the calendar happened in the year 1924. Chrysostomos Kavourides returned in 1935. Mathaios ecclesiology and logic is/was that the other day of the change, the Church of Greece was graceless (as if the grace was like electricity, you switch it on/off in a second..). So based on this irresonable way of thinking, Mathaios was consecrated by a graceless bishop (Kavourides returned 10 years later). Cause he couldn't accept that it always takes time to get used to new circumstances. Not to mention the witnessed incident, when Chrysostomos went to Keratea for recociliation and Mariam closed the door to his face!

repeat again the same errors of past (see Matthaios' schism)

These are Epiphanius' words. The reasonable explanation (in the parenthesis) mine. I believe that he would like to say it straight forward (having in mind that he was on the verge to follow Kallistos to the braking off)

would you still call him blessed if he didnt return to the confession of faith that Saint Matthew upheld? Would you call him blessed if he died saying their is grace in the NC?

But he didn't! would you...if.., would you..if..if..if! And if my grandma had a moustache I would call her grandpa

Nonsense! At least we call him "blessed", not "saint"!

*if you would like to ellaborate more with what really happened to America, read Epiphanius' document and ask for the official ROCOR papers , BECAUSE the Matthewite bishops haven't still decided yet what they want to have happened, exempt Kyrikos who has decided bare-headed (meaning without official documents) that it was a "prayer of forgiveness" (and don't ask me to prove this again, cause if I'd force you to prove what you have written so far, you would come with empty hands! (or at least with Kyrikos' magazines)

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Kallinkos/LMP, do the florinites have a concecration certificate for Akakios?

Conserning my previous posts, Leonty did gave concecration certificates for every single bishop he concecrated!

[Constantine]

You still have not answered my question why is it ok to commune with the NC and EP when the florinites need bishops but not ok to commune with the NC and EP when the florinites dont need bishops.

This is clearly your opinion..! If the Matthewites believed that ROCOR hadn't any authority or officiality then they wouldn't have even think to accept any cheirothesia* from them!!! The same excusses 30 years now!

They did not receive a cheirothesia, this is florinite wishful thinking, we did not need to travel around the world begging for bishops, we had them, with a valid apostolic succesion.

How many times did they issued it? about 5 - 10 times?

They did not do or issue once what they said they would do.

The phrases "individual incidents" and "period of adaptation" doesn't mean anything to you (and to your then bishops), obviously

Oh yes, because rocor adapted to a true confessing synod, did rocor ever cut communion with world Orthodoxy? did rocor ever say the NC was graceless? who does rocor commune with now? Mabye they are still adapting?

So based on this irresonable way of thinking, Mathaios was consecrated by a graceless bishop (Kavourides returned 10 years later).

Kavorides was concecrated by a Orthodox Bishop prior to the NC schism, he then became schismatic by going along with the NC, but he repented of that and returned to the OC in 193?, why wouldnt he have grace? He was not concecrated by schismatics or heretics. It is only those that are concecrated by schismatics and heretics that do not have grace.

Nonsense! At least we call him "blessed", not "saint"!

Well Saints usually help Orthodoxy not damage it by causing scandal and flip-floping on grace in the NC at least a dozen times, they usually dont praise the soviet government either, also Saints relics usually perform miracles, ask Vladimir Moss about that one. So I dont think Kavourides can qualify as a Saint no matter how much you wish.

Conserning my previous posts, Leonty did gave concecration certificates for every single bishop he concecrated!

You still didnt answer my question, does Akakios have a concecration certificate? Yes or No?

[Cyprian]

XPICTOC ANECTH! CHRIST IS RISEN!

Nonsense! At least we call him "blessed", not "saint"!

Dear Kallinikos,

What is the difference?

Thank you.

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You still have not answered my question why is it ok to commune with the NC and EP when the florinites need bishops but not ok to commune with the NC and EP when the florinites dont need bishops.

You still haven't answer to mine with justification!

They did not receive a cheirothesia,

You wished ! It was a "prayer of forgiveness" performed in two different services,not together at the same time (in full vestments)......!

They did not do or issue once what they said they would do

Despite the blessed Epiphanius was convinced, you (and Kyrikos' "synod") aren't. Not surprised!

Kavorides was concecrated by a Orthodox Bishop prior to the NC schism, he then became schismatic by going along with the NC, but he repented of that and returned to the OC in 193?, why wouldnt he have grace? He was not concecrated by schismatics or heretics. It is only those that are concecrated by schismatics and heretics that do not have grace.

Does your bishop have aknowledge of what you are posting here?
Your newly romanians bishops don't accept Vlasios' synod as being consecrated by a NC bishop! They don't accept that Galaction (Codrun) "he repented of that and returned to the OC" (sic)

Kavorides...but he repented of that and returned to the OC in 193?, why wouldnt he have grace?

Again the "grace=electricity" theory! Did he have grace between the years 1924-1935 ooh.. great theologian????

also Saints relics usually perform miracles, ask Vladimir Moss about that one.

Of course! Chrysostomos relics indeed performed a miracle. A seak woman got healed by the water that the nuns used to wash Kavourides relics!

You still didnt answer my question, does Akakios have a concecration certificate? Yes or No?

I've already answered! Don't make me repeat myself . I'm not a ROCORite to respond back again n' again.

Dear Kallinikos,
What is the difference?
Thank you.

We consider Met. Chrysostomos Kavourides as a confessing bishop who suffered a lot for the sacred Orthodoxy! However there isn't any canonisation by the Church!

On the other hand there is bishop Matthaiwos of Bresthena for whom nobody can denies that he was too a zealot bishop and a spiritual father, yet surrounded by demons who controled him. These were the nun Mariam and the priest Eugene Tombros. And this is tacitly accepted by the majority of the matthaiwites bishops including Met. Kyrikos, who didn't affraid to call Tombros "of sorrowful memory". Why tacitly? Because they haven't respond back to fr. Antonius' Jeorgantas book titled "80 years of light and darkness" in which is revealed the real Tobros' face.

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Dear Kallinikos,
What is the difference?
Thank you.

Dear Cyprian, Isn't it funny (at least) to consider someone as a saint and at the same time to perform memorial services for "peacefull rest"..??

[Cyprian]

I'm only seeking a straight answer, please.

Are you suggesting that the title 'Blessed' means one is less than, or not fully a saint?

What about someone who is styled 'Thrice-blessed'? Thrice-blessed sounds greater than simply 'Blessed', right? but still not quite fully a saint in your view?

'Most-blessed'? Is 'Most-blessed' less than or greater than 'Thrice-blessed?

'Venerable'? Is 'Venerable' less than, equal to, or greater than 'Blessed'?

If 'Venerable' is greater than 'Blessed', is it greater than 'Thrice-blessed' or 'Most-blessed'? yet still not a saint, according to your view?

How about 'Divine'? Is 'Divine' equal to, greater than, or less than 'Saint'?

Let's not forget 'Holy'. Where does that rank? And 'Most-holy' as well?

'Doctor'? Is a 'Doctor' of the Church a saint or not?