ROCOR and Moscow Reunification [sic]

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Joanna Higginbotham

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The other night I was speaking with someone who was a rather close friend of Platina in its early days. He said that he was given the impression that the Fr. Seraphim and Fr. Herman had built a kind of personality sect around themselves. The attitude at the Platina monastery seemed to be that all Orthodox jurisdictions are more or less the same (and no one there, residents or visitors were allowed to say anything to the contrary - it was a rule there) but in actual fact, the Platina monastery considered itself as ABOVE any and all jurisdictions, including the Synod - a sort of 'supra-Orthodox mini-church' of it's own, part of the persecuted 'Northern Theibaid 'monastic movement, etc. Looking back I have to admit that was one of the impressions I was given, too, through their publications. [I discovered The 0rthodox Word in 1986.] In fact, it was one of the qualities that attracted me, since neither did I have trust in the "institutions."

We got the impression that the fathers kept to their mission despite lack of cooperation from their hierarchs and despite interference from their hierarchs. It is very possible that Fr, Alexey's joining the Antiochians has nothing to do with his "not getting it" about the royal path as I said a few days ago. It could be this idea that one must follow their calling and fulfill their mission, and since all 0rthodox are more or less the same, the idea is to find the jurisdiction that will offer the least opposition to your goal.

Another thing is that Fr. Alexey was greatly shocked by learning about Fr. Herman ... ahem ... being a sex pervert. It is a rather disorienting thing and difficult to come to terms with.

So, I'm withdrawing what I wrote about Fr. Alexey "not getting it". I should not make conclusions about things I do not understand. All I know is that I myself do not have any special calling or mission - and I am miserable in a jurisdiction where I can not love, trust, and look up to my shepherds [bishops].

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Joanna Higginbotham wrote:

All I know is that I myself do not have any special calling or mission - and I am miserable in a jurisdiction where I can not love, trust, and look up to my shepherds [bishops].

Now this is truly sad. I am sorry to hear it. My question is; What are you going to do about it?

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GOCPriestMark wrote:
Joanna Higginbotham wrote:

All I know is that I myself do not have any special calling or mission - and I am miserable in a jurisdiction where I can not love, trust, and look up to my shepherds [bishops].

Now this is truly sad. I am sorry to hear it. My question is; What are you going to do about it?

If I'm not wrong I believe Joanna is speaking in a past tense as not being happy being in the ROCOR/MP, but is happy being in the ROCOR/PSCA under Met. Agathangel. Am I correct Joanna ?

Joanna Higginbotham

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Thank you. Yes, that is correct. Sorry, I should have said WAS MISERABLE and/or W0ULD BE MISERABLE.

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Reading these reflections on Father Seraphim Rose and his disciple Father Alexey Young has unearthed some old memories for me. I recall once that Father Alexey spoke words of great consolation to me on an occasion where I had become discouraged about my former parish and hierarchs (Antiochian.) He smiled at me and said, "You should know that the Orthodox Church is truly vast, and is not circumscribed by any particular parish or hierarchical administration." It was at that time that Father Alexey first advised me to make a pilgrimage to the reliquary of St. John of San Francisco, which changed my life quite profoundly. He also once told me, while I was confessing some struggles with a few parishioners at my former ROCOR parish, that "the Church is merely a hospital where everyone is spiritually ill, trying to get well. Don't expect them to be perfectly sound and reasonable."

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These memories from our spiritual journeys and actual travels are so useful to keep in touch with, I think.
What was it that caused the problem with the other parishioners, if you feel like saying? If not it's OK, but I'm curious what may be the root of all these struggles in Church parishes; I am quite serious about ferreting out what does go wrong in interpersonal relations and WHY?
I didn't know you started with Antiochians, but I haven't read over that many older posts here.
I'm interested in the process of how converts can wake up about the problems of those liberal jurisdictions. And how they find out about ROCOR, in its pre-union days. I wonder if many people are coming to post-union ROCOR any longer from the more liberal jurisdictions. Perhaps the tide has now slowed? That would be interesting to make a study of!

As for you, did you go directly to ROCOR or via others first, like a graduated scale to get to the real gold of that era?
Sorry if Im being too nosy, but it seems this is the value of discussion fora - to learn about the experiences of other people which can be enlightening or enriching

I thought that was well-expressed by Fr Alexey but the image is not new, naturally.
I recall the exact place I was standing at one of the most marvelous places in 'all the Russias' a long time ago when a resident [who resembled Czar Alexander III with a voice to match] explained to me: "My monastery ees spiritual HOS-pi-TALL!" - This was the first I heard that concept. It has been shown over the years to be true.

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Catherine,

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 On some level, I believe that I was always a "spiritual Russian."  Like many people from the heterodox West, I was intrigued by Dostoevsky and the character Father Zosima in [i]The Brother's Karamazov[/i] as a teenager, many years before I ever learned anything about the history Orthodox Christianity and the true Church.  I had never visited a Russian Orthodox Church or experienced a Russian Orthodox vigil or liturgy until visiting the tomb of St. John in San Francisco after his glorification, when I was about 40 years old.  I went there, in part, to pray about a scandal that was then enveloping my Antiochian parish.  However, when I entered the Russian Orthodox cathedral "Joy of All Who Sorrow," and stood next to the tomb of blessed St. John, I was completely overwhelmed by a feeling of my own unworthiness before God, and all I could do for the next three days was to stand next to St. John in the Russian cathedral and weep for my sins.  For some strange reason that I have never understood, Archbishop Anthony (Medvedev) gave me special permission to partake of the holy mysteries in the ROCOR that Sunday, and I eventually left the Antiochian Church to become a member of the ROCOR.  When I was baptized in the ROCOR, I said that I would never, ever depart from the Russian Orthodox Church unless I was in a coffin.  ("If I ever forget thee, O Jerusalem...") I still know that this is true, even though I now have no Russian Orthodox parish to attend where I live.
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